Turbo Legacy is back. 260HP 277 Lb/ft 2.4 turbo "XT" model

"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt) 02/07/2019 at 10:24 • Filed to: subaru legacy, legacy, subaru

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It’s no Legacy GT of the past. No manual.

Key details : “Standard on XT models, the 2.4-liter turbocharged BOXER engine delivers brisk acceleration and robust all-around performance, with 260 horsepower at 5,600 rpm and 277 lb-ft of torque from 2,000-4,800 rpm. Mated to a high-torque Lineartronic CVT with manual mode and steering wheel paddle control switches, the 2.4-liter BOXER launches Legacy XT from 0-60 mph in an estimated 6.1 seconds. Fuel economy for the turbo is equally impressive, with a manufacturer’s estimation of 24/32 mpg city/highway. For 2020, the Legacy’s CVT hydraulic system features a lower viscosity oil that reduces horsepower loss by 32 percent compared to the previous model’s CVT, helping the new model achieve both higher fuel economy and greater driving performance.”

They went full Volvo with the infotainment. Those HVAC controls at the bottom, they are touchscreen controls. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

XT touring model interior

I’d say it’s a competent package overall looking at the specs, but it’s a tough segment out there with even the Accord and Camry struggling.

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MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:25

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If no manual I’m still not interested.

BeaterGT > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:26

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Overall, feeling pretty meh about it.

This jumped out at me though, 32 percent?! 

For 2020, the Legacy’s CVT hydraulic system features a lower viscosity oil that reduces horsepower loss by 32 percent compared to the previous model’s CVT

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/07/2019 at 10:31

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M anual is a closed chapter on the L egacy. There was 0 expectation of it in the first place.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:31

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Wow, finally approaching V6 Camry numbers.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:32

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I would love to have this car but it’s going to cost $35k and there are a lot of really nice cars available for $35k.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/07/2019 at 10:33

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For $ 35K just looking at new cars , in this segment I’m taking this no questions

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:34

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Annnnnd i cant wait to see how they price this

  > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:34

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t he infotainment UI looks like those terrible app frame backgrounds I used to put on my ipod touch in middle school

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:35

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Yep, or maybe even a kia stinger AWD. Sorry but I am pissed at Subaru for their degradation in quality.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > BeaterGT 02/07/2019 at 10:37

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32% of the previous loss% I assume, but still a third of whatever that original number is being improved. A second faster I think than the current 3.6R. Still a CVT though, but then again this is a safe sensible comfortable family car.  

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 02/07/2019 at 10:38

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$37K for the top of the line Touring XT guaranteed . But the base turbo model should be $ 2K cheaper, methinks.

Boxer_4 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:39

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Not bad, but the XT trim name is unfortunate. 

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:39

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Thats CP territory

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time >   02/07/2019 at 10:39

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But but Subaru...stars in logo... The Pleiades Constellation!

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 10:55

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I know...I’m still mad about that. I love the Legacy GT, but would like something newer when I look for a car in the next few years

MUSASHI66 > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 02/07/2019 at 10:56

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Look at the pricing of the last gen Forester XT and tack $2500 or so to every trim level.

Real world pricing will be approximately $2500 -4000 under msrp based on Heuberger Subaru pricing .

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/07/2019 at 11:00

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Perhaps this will make you happy. 6 speed manual standard: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/02/2019-vw-jetta-gli-american-gti-sedan/

There’s always the Accord Sport 2.0T with a manual for around $25K but donno how long they’ll keep it around if no one buys them

If you want only AWD+Turbo+Manual combo, t here’s always the WRX, perhaps they’ll put the 2.4 Turbo in the future.

punkgoose17 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 11:02

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This looks nice. I am thinking of it as the DD for a 45 year engineer who goes to a track day once a year. ...n ot a car for me.

I do not like the HVAC controls. I want the fan speed to be plastic buttons, but maybe there is fan speed on the steering wheel, and this is definitely cheaper to make.

Textured Soy Protein > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 11:02

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Even with the CVT, I don’t hate it. The CVT in my wife’s former Impreza didn’t bother me and I actually liked it for highway on-ramps and such.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 11:03

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no hood scoop no care

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 11:06

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Subaru offered the current generation Legacy and Outback with the 6 speed manual in Canada until the 2018 model year.

While it was unlikely that we would get a manual in the US it wouldn’t have been unreasonable for them to have offered it in other markets.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Textured Soy Protein 02/07/2019 at 11:07

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I tolerate CVTs at best, if it is rental car or something. But I read they’re getting better every year, at least they don’t hunt around for gears like some new 10 speeds . Maybe 5 years later I’d consider one.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 02/07/2019 at 11:08

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I loved those hood scoops in Subarus. Gotta go back 10 years in a time machine buy a legacy GT and never sell it.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 11:11

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especially the legacy gt wagons

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > MUSASHI66 02/07/2019 at 11:15

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Heuberger is awesome! I have looked at their numbers, and  even with paying for shipping it still comes closer to my local dealer who acts like Subarus are made of pure gold or something.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 11:24

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Are they seriously bragging about a 0-60 time of 6.1 seconds in a top spec Legacy here? Pretty sure my 05 GT manual was in the 5s (of course you’d grenade that transmission if you actually tried to make that happen ). I guess they’ve completely decided to not market this as a performance variant at all in transitioning the name to XT, which makes sense given that they’re not even trying with that CVT (which yes is fine for a regular car, but not for a performance vehicle).

The package as a whole seems to be a good improvement on the current Legacy but they still have a lot of catching up to do to get this name back to its former glory, and I don’t think they are really even trying to do so at this point. Interior does seem to be a pretty big step up, I’m sure the Outback variant will sell like hotcakes (but it will do so even if it was a turd).

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 11:33

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Yea, I know...I just like that the Legacy GT is a bit more grown up looking and a bit bigger. The Accord 2.0T is an interesting car that I’ll probably test drive, but my heart’s really set on RWD or AWD with a manual. Plus I plan on test driving the Stinger when I get to seriously shopping even though it doesn’t have a real manual. When I do get to it I want to buy something <10 years old and prefer ably <5 . So far my list is Chevy SS, Cadillac CTS, KIA Stinger, Accord 2.0T, and possibly look at the last generation Legacy GT but I really don’t like their looks.

DipodomysDeserti > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/07/2019 at 11:38

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I’m trying to think of a time when Subarus were considered reliable. I guess my ‘91 Loyale was pretty reliable. Although it would fry the ECU fuse if you floored it. My ‘08 WRX ate a piston and it’s synchros within 70k miles, and it’s firewall cracked for no good reason. My ‘ 13 XT thankfully held onto its HG, but it did blow off it’s intercooler piping within the first 10k miles, it’s dash rattled from the factory and it’s roof rails warped within 20k miles.

Subarus are made with love, not competence. I still miss all my Subies, though, but I’d never buy one with a CVT.

DipodomysDeserti > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 11:39

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Subaru, who definitely isn’t known for building glass transmission, used lighter transmission oil in order to get better fuel economy? That should end well.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > DipodomysDeserti 02/07/2019 at 11:53

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My 89 XT went to 160k then I overheated it. It was in fantastic shape even after 10 years. My 2002 Impreza was kind of a piece of shit. My mom’s 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS was very good, had 135k when she totaled it. My Current 2013 outback is on it’s second engine due to oil consumption . Ironically that is the ONLY problem we have had with the car otherwise it’s been way better than the 2002 impreza.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 02/07/2019 at 12:24

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0-60 s lower than a Dodge Spirit from 1991!

BobintheMtns > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 12:42

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Legacy’s of late are the most boring cars ever. I bet even with a turbo this thing will still put you to sleep....

arl > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 12:45

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I’d think you could get into the Touring for 35K.

MUSASHI66 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 12:56

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Try S hortline Subaru as well. If you email heuberger for their best price (and they are set on those), provide Shortline with that quote and they’ll beta the deal. Schomp just bought them and they expanded to the old FIAT lot across the street and they are trying to become Heuberger of Denver, because it is a hassle to drive 90 minutes to Heuberger. 

DipodomysDeserti > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/07/2019 at 13:30

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You’re XT overheated at 160k miles because it’s HG started leaking at 100k miles. You can get a lot of life out of bad HGs when you’re only making 80 hp ; )

Also, you didn’t mention any oil leaks. How’d you manage to run it for so long without oil?  /s

The interior on my Loyale was much nicer than the WRX or Forester.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > MUSASHI66 02/07/2019 at 13:46

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cool. Not buying any Subaru anytime in the near future, but will keep it in mind when I become a dad and want the legacy or outback turbo as the dadmo bile

ultimum2000 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 17:41

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I imagine it will be about 1000-1500 higher than the 3.6r was